Norway tells IE6 users to shape up
Yesterday, one of Norway's biggest commercial sites, finn.no started issuing a warning to all IE6 users telling them to upgrade their browsers. Today, a host of big norwegian sites are doing the same. The campaign to end IE6 usage is on!
Finn.no
Finn.no is a huge website in Norway, providing all kinds of classified ads. Yesterday, through the magic of conditional comments, finn.no started telling their IE6 users:
Heads up: You're using an older version of Internet Explorer.
In order to get the most out of our website, you can get a free update of Internet Explorer. If you're using a work computer, you should contact your IT administrator.
Albeit a little bit dissapointed that Finn didn't offer their users to install Firefox, Opera or Safari, I was pretty damn stoked to see such a big site make an important effort for the well being of everyone working with the web in 2009.
vg.no
As if finn.no wasn't enough, Norways biggest newspaper, vg.no, followed suit shortly after. Hell, they even upped it a notch:
[What finn.no said]
Alternatives to IE: Firefox, Opera or Google Chrome
WOW! We're talking about a site that somewhere around 20% of the norwegian population visit every day. The potential impact is almost unthinkable.
And there were more
As soon as two of Norways biggest websites were up and warning people, more websites came rolling in (all of them major players):
- Teknisk Ukeblad
- start.no
- Juristforeningen
- NextGenTel (major ISP)
- Sesam.no
...and the list keeps growing. Hell, even our swedish nabours are joining in on the fun.
I'm extremely happy to see such widespread interest in getting rid of the time consuming beast that is IE6. I'd be even more stoked if we went out and told people to get a real browser. When compared side to side, IE7 isn't really that much better a browser, atleast not from a developers view.
Even so, I can appreciate how telling IE users to start using Firefox or Opera goes beyond the courteous update nudge. Most companies don't want or need to position themselves in the realm of the browsers, and definately don't want a too close association with a given browser vendor. I still feel that the whole campaign would've made an even bigger impact had it been held back until IE8 was done. That way we could've nudged the IE7 users to upgrade too.
But really, this is not the time to complain, Norway is telling IE6 to fuck off. It's a great day!
Update: Some more screenshots
finn.no
aftenposten.no
start.no
morgenbladet.no
Gulesider.no
Comments
Anders Brenna
(http://tekniskbeta.no)
19. February, 01:05
I'm hoping that it doesn't stop here, as the biggest hurdles lies in front of us:
The main problem is the workplace computers where CIO's have decided to standardize on IE6.
Christian
19. February, 08:18
As marius pointed out over on the shortcut.on blog, I think the ball will start rolling once finn.no, vg.no and all the others start pushing features without IE6 support, if not before.
The IE lockin is a huge problem, and I can easily understand how people fell victims to it. We can only hope IT departments have learned and that the transition from IE7 to IE8 will come easier and more swift.
In any case I believe that microsoft will never regain their dominance on the browser market. They're just too slow, and their browsers cannot match their competitors for more than a week or two.
Marius Mathiesen
(http://shortcut.no/blog/2009/2/17/rip--ie6)
19. February, 09:28
However, I suspect the main argument against their dropping their custom browser is backwards compatibility - the thing that keeps haunting Microsoft whatever they do. As long as their loyal customers and partners have taken their bait and implemented non-standard, IE-only features on their web sites they simply cannot kill their old code base.
At some point, however, I believe they will face up to reality and kill IE as we know it. Maybe they could bundle IE8 as an ActiveX-control or something in a webkit based browser and load this control as the viewer whenever a "quirks mode" page is loaded. So as long as you browse "real" web pages, webkit renders the page, but when you encounter a page that looks like legacy, it would load the legacy rendering engine.
Come to think of it, anyone could probably build such a browser...
Christian
19. February, 10:37
MS' release cycle is too slow and unwieldy in any case - they would've been lagging behind even if they were using webkit.
Adam Hepton
19. February, 11:01
Adam
19. February, 11:03
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_include/front_7.htm
And here's browser share in South Korea:
http://trend.logger.co.kr/report/...%CC%B9%F6%29&subSel=&bigCat=
Christian
19. February, 12:18
Crazy market shares in Korea by the way! Hope they come around soon.
Adam Hepton
19. February, 12:36
Peter Haza
(http://blog.peterhaza.no)
19. February, 13:01
Norway: http://blog.peterhaza.no/current-...warning-against-internet-explorer-6/
International: http://blog.peterhaza.no/current-...warning-against-internet-explorer-6/
Adam
19. February, 13:14
Theoretical talk of 'open standards' doesn't cut much ice and I wish I knew what would.
Paul Battley
(http://po-ru.com/)
19. February, 13:28
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEED
http://www.kanai.net/weblog/archive/2007/01/26/00h53m55s
JunkaShallott
19. February, 13:34
John
19. February, 13:44
IE6 was, btw, very advanced browser, truly ahead of competition, and it is still pretty capable as of today. Most AJAX sites run fine in it, despite its rendering core is from 2001.
Can you image Opera and/or Mozilla from 2001 running today AJAX apps? No way..
IE6 is definitely obsolete in 2009, but that would be true for any other browser from 2001.
My view of IE6 is that it was so good it survided till today, in mass quantities. Same as Windows 2k installations.
Currently shipped IE7 with IE7Pro extension is actually a very good browser, woderful user interface, decent rendering engine.
IE8 is excellent browser (user interface, speed, rendering engine, innovations, any aspect).
Current IE8 rendering core is great and it will stay. No need to downgrade to webkit or presto core.
Companies, intranets, government institutions, and others have apps written for IE6/7, utilizing its unique features (like ActiveX).
With ActiveX you can do much more (basically anything) than with primitive JavaScript engine.
OwenK
19. February, 14:27
Thomas Hansen
(http://ra-ajax.org)
19. February, 14:40
This is great stuff...!!
http://ra-ajax.org/norwegian-campaign-against-ie6.blog
I'll have more to say later today ... ;)
Christian
19. February, 15:15
Daniel Martin
(http://www.daniel-martin.co.uk)
19. February, 15:24
Isn't that a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Because IE6 is so widespread, people who write javascript frameworks make sure that they work in IE6. The same isn't true for other old browsers because they are so rare. I don't think this says anything at all about the quality of IE6.
Tobben
19. February, 16:53
The reason why IE6 survived until today, is ignorance and lazy IT admins.
I hope Le Resistance will speak out louder.
Ofcourse not remove the sites ability to give its information. But to remove all its fancyness for IE6-users.
Also to really annoy the IE6-users with BIG REMINDERS TO SWITCH. Sooner or later the companies get so tired of the workers complaints, that they just have to upgrade their software.
I don't care so much for IE6-users, because they steal away my spare time.
GG, developers. Stand strong against this evil.
dude
19. February, 17:08
hithar
19. February, 18:45
Kevin
19. February, 19:33
Only use for IE is for activeX and .net access that is tied directly to windows otherwise fudge IE.
Jack
(http://www.thejacklawson.com)
19. February, 22:52
Thomas Hansen
(http://ra-ajax.org)
19. February, 23:53
And a *neutral* banner encouraging people to upgrade from IE6 where font-sizes are proportional to Acid 3 compliance multiplied by JavaScript executions speed wrapped in a banner with links to all 5 big browser updates...
http://ra-ajax.org/the-fair-upgrade-from-ie6-banner.blog
Great writeup :)
Merete
20. February, 10:30
This is a fantastic initiative, something I have been waiting for.
I have spent so many hours debugging for only IE6, even IE 5.5 renders everything correctly but IE6 always needs special treatment, stupid browser!
Firefox is my favorite. Fast browser which displays websites as they should be without any hassle.
firefox
20. February, 15:55
Buzz
20. February, 21:34
In 2 months IE8 will probably be out, then people will be upgrading to a truly web standards complaint browser, instead of being stuck on IE7 which is not very standards compliant for the next 7 years.
Christian
20. February, 22:18
Ric
(http://www.swirrl.com)
21. February, 18:25
Andris
(http://www.andrislinz.ch)
21. February, 20:14
mariuz
(http://mapopa.blogspot.com)
6. March, 20:16
if IE without the 6 [if IE] so now my blogs show that nice div to all ie users to upgrade to an modern wekit/mozilla browser and kill IE and microsoft altogether
ps:remember we have to fix #1 from ubuntu :)
xfinx
(http://en.leadingcourses.com/)
23. March, 11:50
James
26. March, 00:21
When is someone going to make a virus that replaces IE6's shortcut icon with an IE6-skinned firefox 3?
Harley
(http://harbek.50megs.com)
12. July, 23:25
Frankly, from 1998 on, I fail to see how
ANY computer user would consider using IE
(any version...).
After learning the developer of the browser
for MS jumped out and developed NetScape,
I've been with NetScape/Mozilla/FireFox this
whole time.
Of course, in '98... IE????
I 'have' worked within IE merely to render
proper viewing site pages as possible...even
coded pages for the WebTV at one time.
IE has come a long way, but Mozilla slaps IE
in the face 'every year'.
The reason? Millions work on the Mozilla
browser and MS? A hundred, or a thousand?
MS has had to come out with SO MANY 'security
updates' it's no wonder so many businesses
have closed.
Same for OutLook/Express. It 'was' fairly
decent in the onset, but slapped around silly
by hackers... it became completely useless on
my system.
Security is ALWAYS issue one. So simple to
place an 'install' that tears every bit of
your hard placed security settings right off
your system.
I've witnessed too many businesses 'thinking'
they're systems were secure, only to have
them fail in short time. Yes, they even
were using the 'image' bootups too.
With so many areas to cover, very few are
familiar or up-to-date on what security
settings work the best.
Even with all that, ten percent security
breech will always remain with the 'user'.
Browser wars? Who knows when ANY browser
offering company will (unfortunately) program
hidden security breech directly in a browser
just so they can connect and 'watch'...
literally.
You think the programmers are watched over
one hundred percent???
Users hold the full responsibility where
system security is concerned. Not knowing
is the major problem.
Forcing 'update to n-browser'? This is why
I have learned too many programming languages.
NO IDEA WHEN, IF, OR WHERE they'll ever STOP
developing newer/different forms of software
programming programs.
I've had to dig around a bit with all of them,
yet not enough 'strength' to earn a living at
them: CGI, Java/Script, HTML, CSS, PHP, SQL,
the list goes on-and-on, and yes - my head
swims at times.
This is why I prefer programming with
B.A.S.I.C. - I can use it to mass produce
thousands of pages, in about twenty minutes.
Those programming the 'browser' should provide
'backward compatibility' and page 'work
arounds' rather than leaving it to the site
developers.
'Standardized' just isn't happening.
Norway? They jumped with new coding
technique, older browsers can't handle it,
they can't 'render their ads'... pooh, hoo.
I search the web for information, not for
browsing 'products'. I directly connect
to locate specific information or
specific products when I choose, not browse
through a zillion product ads I have little
interest in.
The Internet was designed for 'Information Technlogy'... but quickly turned into major
advertising medium.
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